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When The Vampire Diaries airs its series finale at the end of this season, it will truly be the end of an era. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves! Before we are forced to say goodbye to our favorite vampires, witches, werewolves and humans, there is a whole season full of game-changing twists, heartbreaking deaths, romantic moments and so much more to enjoy.
So what about a final crossover between TVD and its spinoff series The Originals? As of now, logistically, a crossover wouldn’t work since the timelines between the two series don’t line up. However, with the Original family all sleeping in coffins over on their series while Hayley (Phoebe Tonkin) searches for a way to cure all their curses, could the timelines eventually match back up, leading to one final crossover before TVD ends? At Comic-Con, the showrunners revealed that there would be a five-year time jump on The Originals for season four, so what does that mean for the shows’ shared universe?
“The timelines won’t end up lining up episode to episode, but I would expect that somewhere in the series finale, there will be some sort of time shift that will allow us at least the opportunity to touch in one final time with our Original family,” executive producer Julie Plec tells Nerdist. “But that goes into the same category as Elena [and Nina Dobrev’s potential return to TVD], which is, there’s what we want to do and what we can do. So we’ll have to wait and see.”
The CW deciding to slate The Originals for midseason, circa early 2017, actually had a big impact on how Plec developed the final season of TVD. “Weirdly, it freed us from the pressure of having to do a crossover,” Plec says with a laugh. “Crossovers are so fun creatively but they’re so wildly, intensely hard to pull off. Knowing that we weren’t going to have to jump through those scheduling hoops gave us a sense of peace, although it is always creatively fun to be able to go down that road.”
The question on all fans’ minds is how TVD ending is going to affect The Originals moving forward, and Plec has a very exciting answer for that. “My hope is either that it doesn’t affect it at all or if anything, it makes The Originals a playground of opportunity to see some of these characters again,” she says. “That would be my desire is to keep that show going and to use it as a platform to have some very special visitors over time.”
Yeah, that’s right: Plec wants to have TVD characters migrate over to The Originals, potentially in a series regular capacity. But don’t get your hopes up just yet, since it’s too early to confirm any plans. But let the speculation begin!
“It’s all speculative until there is an Originals [season five renewal],” Plec says with a laugh. “But absolutely. I’ve got a ton of ideas in my head of how the two universes could collide again as we move forward in The Originals.”
While Plec and the rest of the TVD writers didn’t plan on season eight being the last season when they first began plotting out the year of stories, they quickly came to the realization that it should be, hence the Comic-Con announcement. “I am just so excited to be writing towards an ending because that’s when you feel like a real storyteller, when you’re not treading water but you’re heading towards the finish line,” Plec says. “Everything snaps in with such great clarity and everything you write, structurally it seems so focused. And it just feels like you’re really finishing the story you’ve been telling for years. That’s a real thrill that not everybody gets to have.”
Plec is very aware that many series, even long-running, fan-favorite shows, don’t get the luxury of planning out an entire season ending. Some shows don’t even get to craft a series finale, and so fans are left with cliffhangers when a season finale becomes a series finale after the fact.
“Yes! Yes, that was the goal,” Plec says of developing the final season with a true, satisfying end in mind. “When I spoke to [CW President] Mark Pedowitz and [WBTV boss] Peter Roth over all the time leading up to making this decision, I said, ‘I don’t ever want to get in a situation where we don’t know that we are ending.’ The legacy of this show deserves to have it self-declared when it’s a final season when it’s time. And Mark doesn’t like to declare final seasons because Mark believes shows that could stay on, should stay on, and thank god, because they do! [Laughs] So I really had to convince them that it was the right way to bring the show to a close, and they were so gracious in agreeing.”
When a final season is announced before it premieres, Plec believes that the show then takes on this different kind of energy, as fans can prepare for the beginning of the end.
“The one thing that Mark Pedowitz does so well is that he will finish a series, even if it’s just a nice six-episode chapter at the very end the following season,” Plec says. “There was always a way to do that as well. I just really felt like once we saw where the stories that we wanted to tell this season were going, it felt like this needed to be the end.”
What do you hope to see before TVD ends for good? Tweet me your thoughts, wishes and favorite TVD gifs at @SydneyBucksbaum!
The Vampire Diaries airs Fridays at 8 p.m. on The CW.
Images: The CW
When The Vampire Diaries airs its series finale at the end of this season, it will truly be the end of an era. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves! Before we are forced to say goodbye to our favorite vampires, witches, werewolves and humans, there is a whole season full of game-changing twists, heartbreaking deaths, romantic moments and so much more to enjoy.
So what about a final crossover between TVD and its spinoff series The Originals? As of now, logistically, a crossover wouldn’t work since the timelines between the two series don’t line up. However, with the Original family all sleeping in coffins over on their series while Hayley (Phoebe Tonkin) searches for a way to cure all their curses, could the timelines eventually match back up, leading to one final crossover before TVD ends? At Comic-Con, the showrunners revealed that there would be a five-year time jump on The Originals for season four, so what does that mean for the shows’ shared universe?
“The timelines won’t end up lining up episode to episode, but I would expect that somewhere in the series finale, there will be some sort of time shift that will allow us at least the opportunity to touch in one final time with our Original family,” executive producer Julie Plec tells Nerdist. “But that goes into the same category as Elena [and Nina Dobrev’s potential return to TVD], which is, there’s what we want to do and what we can do. So we’ll have to wait and see.”
The CW deciding to slate The Originals for midseason, circa early 2017, actually had a big impact on how Plec developed the final season of TVD. “Weirdly, it freed us from the pressure of having to do a crossover,” Plec says with a laugh. “Crossovers are so fun creatively but they’re so wildly, intensely hard to pull off. Knowing that we weren’t going to have to jump through those scheduling hoops gave us a sense of peace, although it is always creatively fun to be able to go down that road.”
The question on all fans’ minds is how TVD ending is going to affect The Originals moving forward, and Plec has a very exciting answer for that. “My hope is either that it doesn’t affect it at all or if anything, it makes The Originals a playground of opportunity to see some of these characters again,” she says. “That would be my desire is to keep that show going and to use it as a platform to have some very special visitors over time.”
Yeah, that’s right: Plec wants to have TVD characters migrate over to The Originals, potentially in a series regular capacity. But don’t get your hopes up just yet, since it’s too early to confirm any plans. But let the speculation begin!
“It’s all speculative until there is an Originals [season five renewal],” Plec says with a laugh. “But absolutely. I’ve got a ton of ideas in my head of how the two universes could collide again as we move forward in The Originals.”
While Plec and the rest of the TVD writers didn’t plan on season eight being the last season when they first began plotting out the year of stories, they quickly came to the realization that it should be, hence the Comic-Con announcement. “I am just so excited to be writing towards an ending because that’s when you feel like a real storyteller, when you’re not treading water but you’re heading towards the finish line,” Plec says. “Everything snaps in with such great clarity and everything you write, structurally it seems so focused. And it just feels like you’re really finishing the story you’ve been telling for years. That’s a real thrill that not everybody gets to have.”
Plec is very aware that many series, even long-running, fan-favorite shows, don’t get the luxury of planning out an entire season ending. Some shows don’t even get to craft a series finale, and so fans are left with cliffhangers when a season finale becomes a series finale after the fact.
“Yes! Yes, that was the goal,” Plec says of developing the final season with a true, satisfying end in mind. “When I spoke to [CW President] Mark Pedowitz and [WBTV boss] Peter Roth over all the time leading up to making this decision, I said, ‘I don’t ever want to get in a situation where we don’t know that we are ending.’ The legacy of this show deserves to have it self-declared when it’s a final season when it’s time. And Mark doesn’t like to declare final seasons because Mark believes shows that could stay on, should stay on, and thank god, because they do! [Laughs] So I really had to convince them that it was the right way to bring the show to a close, and they were so gracious in agreeing.”
When a final season is announced before it premieres, Plec believes that the show then takes on this different kind of energy, as fans can prepare for the beginning of the end.
“The one thing that Mark Pedowitz does so well is that he will finish a series, even if it’s just a nice six-episode chapter at the very end the following season,” Plec says. “There was always a way to do that as well. I just really felt like once we saw where the stories that we wanted to tell this season were going, it felt like this needed to be the end.”
What do you hope to see before TVD ends for good? Tweet me your thoughts, wishes and favorite TVD gifs at @SydneyBucksbaum!
The Vampire Diaries airs Fridays at 8 p.m. on The CW.
Images: The CW
Six months and change after the release of its first trailer — and therefore about the same amount of time since co-writer C. Robert Cargill’s infamous “[t]he social justice warriors were going to get mad at us for something this week” rebuttal to Asian American critics of the film’s whitewashing — the initial reviews are in for Doctor Strange, and they’re not encouraging.
Oh, the movie? Actually, the critics seem to like it just fine. Being The Nerds of Color, however, we’re interested in looking at a different metric. Doctor Strange’s whitewashing of primary character The Ancient One was, after all, one of the driving forces behind the hashtag and rallying cry #whitewashedOUT in May.
So no, this isn’t a review of Doctor Strange the film, but a review of the reviews of the film, using a simple standard: how accurately and humanely did each review portray Asian American dissent over the whitewashing of The Ancient One?
IGN: Doctor Strange Review
“Controversies around changing the Ancient One from the comics aside, Swinton’s ethereal, unique presence feels right at home here, playing this serene yet oh-so powerful character.”
“Changing The Ancient One from the comics?” I believe the word you’re looking for is whitewashing. Must be nice to be able to put it aside.
Grade: F
IndieWire: ‘Doctor Strange’ Review: Marvel’s Mind-Bending New Superhero Movie Is Their Best Since ‘The Avengers’
“Worst of all, ‘Doctor Strange’ more dramatically underlines Marvel’s gender bias than any previous film, if only because there’s a striking contrast between the trite dude superhero and the mesmerizing lady guru who passes her power onto him.”
Critic David Ehrlich proves that he is capable of tackling cultural commentary — and feels it appropriate — but his commentary is limited to gender bias, erasing Asian Americans from the issue altogether. Imagine my surprise.
Grade: F-
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Polygon: Doctor Strange review: The wizarding world of Marvel movies
“People seek out the magic of the Mystic Arts when they’re at their lowest low, searching for physical and emotional healing after all other hope has been lost. Strange, of course, only seeks answers from the East after he has exhausted everything that Western medicine has to offer. (There are no atheists in foxholes, eh?)”
Seems like a long way to go just to dismiss Eastern culture as inferior.
“Though Wong doesn’t have much to do in this film, his character is still a step up from the ethnically insulting ‘tea-serving manservant’ he is in the comics…”
I’m ethnically insulted that you care enough about my ethnic feelings to say this about Wong while failing to acknowledge, even once, the ethnic whitewashing of The Ancient One.
Grade: ethnically, F
Variety: Film Review: ‘Doctor Strange’
“…much has already been written about the casting of the white-skinned Swinton in a role originally conceived as an old Asian man (as if the world needs yet another Mister Miyagi/Pai Mei stereotype), when the only real disappointment there is that the practically extraterrestrial star wasn’t asked to play the title role…”
Little-known fact: federal law requires that every part written for an Asian person be offensively stereotypical. Nice of critic Debruge to call out the bullet we narrowly dodged. Extra points for drawing our attention to “the only real disappointment,” which we’ve been too thick to grasp.
Grade: Wax on outta here with this
USA Today: Review: ‘Doctor Strange’ casts marvelous mojo
“…Swinton adds sass, emotional depth and a little frailty to the wise-warrior archetype. Her performance will put to rest any remaining concerns about the character not being the Asian man of the comics.”
I get this, having been raised with another example of a great performance atoning for racial bias: Point Break featured a Gary Busey role so good that my grandmother was finally able to forgive the United States for interning over 100,000 Japanese American citizens in camps.
Grade: 100% pure poop
The Hollywood Reporter: ‘Doctor Strange’: Film Review
“Looking like some kind of exquisite alien rather than a leftover Hare Krishna, [Swinton], too, has trippy phrases at her disposal…”
Via math, every Asian’s native language: Looking like a non-human alien > looking like a religious brown person.
“Politically correct casting alarmists may stamp their feet about a white woman being cast as the supreme custodian of knowledge at a Himalayan retreat, which is, in fact, a thoroughly interracial establishment. But this is obviously nothing like Sam Jaffe playing the High Lama in 1937’s Lost Horizon…”
Erasure via mislabeling, name-calling, infantilization, “you’ve already got enough diversity,” and “it’s not as bad as this other thing.” Just because I’m a literal toddler with a subscription to Politically Correct Casting Alarmist Monthly doesn’t mean that I deserve to be condescended to, sir.
Grade: Two stamps of my tiny feet
ScreenCrush: ‘Doctor Strange’ Review: Marvel’s Familiar Formula With Some Really Cool Visuals
“In practice, [Swinton] delivers a very strong performance… On the other hand, it is a little disconcerting that a movie set almost entirely in Nepal, with characters dressed in Asian-inflected costumes, features so few Asian actors.”
Critic Singer nearly makes a point good enough for me to forgive this quote’s appearance in the footnotes section, rather than in the main body of the review. While the passive lack of Asian performers in the cast is certainly a problem, here Singer addresses the issue without confronting the active replacement of an Asian person with a white woman.
Grade: C+
The Daily Beast: The Mind-Bending ‘Doctor Strange’ Is Marvel’s Trippiest Movie Yet
“…Doctor Strange, the latest comic book movie that ensures that the entitled white heroes of the Earth and beyond will keep inheriting the Marvel Cinematic Universe.”
“…[Doctor Strange] is yet another white male Chosen One destined to excel within an exotic culture not his own, an issue the film doesn’t bother trying to address. (It doesn’t sit quite as glaringly tone deaf, at least, as Marvel’s upcoming small-screen series Iron Fist whose white male protagonist inherits the MCU’s only other Asian-influenced mantle.)”
“Anyone looking for an answer to Doctor Strange’s streak of Orientalism won’t walk away satisfied…”
“Swinton is effortlessly excellent in her role — one that was gender-flipped, in a progressive move for strong female representation in the genre, at least…”
It’s almost as if allowing an Asian American, Jen Yamato, to review a film called out by Asian Americans, can result in a nuanced, complete piece that separates the art from the politics but aptly and handily addresses both.
Consider this a standing offer to buy Jen a drink; I’ll need all the alcohol I can get my hands on to make it through the next few weeks of passive-aggressive white critics telling me how to handle my Asian feelings.
Grade: A… ZN
